Europe is going through its best protection problem from the Second World War. This is aggravated by the destabilizing impression of the US charges. So how is he measuring? Gideon asks this query to Arancha González Laya, dean of the Paris School of International Affairs at Science Po e A former Foreign Minister of Spain. Clip: Emmanuel Macron
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